And he's going to be the man 'till something else happens. Cranky coaches! Zorn and Krieg battled through the 1983 offseason, but Knox refused to acknowledge the controversy that the press was breathlessly reporting about. Knox announced a quarterback change a few days later. It's a matter of doing what's right (for the team). FactSnippet No. Does anyone else remember Dave Krieg? | Seahawks More posts you may like. Little (or widely) known fact: He has the fourth Smizik was often curmudgeonly in his writing. Dave Krieg. Football Outsiders content published by ESPN. When David went up to the bar to order a drink, he noticed a guy wearing a flannel jacket, sitting by himself at the bar, nursing a drink. Searching for contemporary comparisons for Krieg may be missing the point, however. 3) The Seahawks had the Jets' number in their early expansion years, winning their first 7 games against New York and not losing to the Jets from their founding in 1976 until the 1985 season. "Dave has a lot of vision on the field," Largent said in a Miami Herald feature during the 1983 playoffs. I have no idea what force convinced me to type Ripon not Milton, but MILTONis CORRECT! The annual offensive comas his teams lapsed into may well have been the result of outdated offenses, weak pass protection, and coaches who thought shuffling quarterbacks might provide a "spark" and that publicly negging their players would motivate them. WebDave Krieg is one of the NFLs greatest underdog stories. Veteran Jeff Kemp, who looked great when throwing to Largent against insurance salesmen in 1987, flopped in a one-game trial as the backup. WebFor many years Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. Parts of his story"seventh-string" quarterbacks, canisters of film, Plan B free agency, general managers stepping in as coaches, quarterback controversies that last multiple seasons and don't end with epic tradesbarely make sense anymore. So Knox built an offense out of deep strikes to Largent and Turner, touch passes to Largent, and lots of swing passes to fullback types. Undrafted in 1980, Krieg tried out for the Seahawks and caught on as a third-string quarterback. He went 1-of-3 for 10 yards while being sacked twice. Patera, who happened to be the brother of Olympic weightlifter and pro wrestling legend Ken Patera, never coached again after the Seahawks fired him. Wore number 17 was traded to the Chiefs and then to the Lions and almost took them to the playoffs after Woodley was hurt. Keenum, on the other hand, has a grand total ofoneseason (2017) where his passing DVOA wasn't below average or worse. WebIn a 1991 game between the New Orleans Saints and Seattle Seahawks, QB Dave Krieg got injured and suffered a broken thumb. Dave Krieg He was on the radio just recently. They somehow (read:Cortez Kennedy) won two games, one of which was against the 1-15 Patriots, so the Pats got local heroDrew Bledsoe #1 in the draftand the Seahawks got Rick Mirer at #2. I think DeBerg, who had been an assistant coach with the Giants for a couple years between 1994 and 1997, was signed by the Falcons because their top two quarterbacks went down and he had a long-time relationship with Falcons head coach Dan Reeves: *DeBerg drafted by the Cowboys in the 10th round in 1977 though cut before the season; Reeves was a Cowboys assistant coach at the time under Tom Landry. However, the 10-6 Seahawks failed to qualify for the playoffs. NFL Scouting Combine becomes a hands game - Chicago Sun Krieg threw for 264 yards and two touchdowns, including a 57-yard game-winner to Largent, in a win over a strong Jets team. However, Krieg's pedestrian performance on the road in the playoffs contributed to the Seahawks' swift elimination at the hands of the top-seeded Cincinnati Bengals. Lol. Kreig Kreig Hrm, you reckon this young whipper-snapper means old Mudbone outta Milton College? Krieg finished fifth in DVOA behind Boomer Esiason, Warren Moon, Marino, and Jim Everett. Which just tells you that there were a lot of excellent QBs at that time. I looked it up, in 1993 after 7-2 Miami lost Marino for the season and Scott Mitchell went down, they signed DeBerg, then 39, off-the-street and put him as their starter. There's something oddly poetic about Dave Krieg giving up a record number of sacks in a game, then scrambling around to barely avoid giving up an 8th sack, and then winning the game with an improbable long touchdown pass. As someone who started following the league at near the end of Kreig's prime, I didn't really have a good feel for his career arc. Krieg was not in training camp that season, but intended on playing a 20th NFL season. The other players profiled in this series had multiple seasons near the top of the DVOA leaderboards. In reply to I remember Mirer having a by Joey-Harringto. EXCELLENT article on our QB and thus draft situation, Some Denver fans not sure we won Wilson trade. His regular season career winloss record is 98-77. What was Dave Krieg hand size? Promisekit.org ", https://www.footballoutsiders.com/almanac/historical-archive. Krieg finished in the top 10 in DVOA five times during his neverending career, yet he always seemed to be just one slump away from a seat on the bench. Despite a brief midseason slump, Krieg played more consistently during the strike-shortened 1987 season. in addition to never being recognized for the winner he was, they even closed/shuttered his College, Ripon, in Wisconsin! See Photos. "Ground Chuck" took flight under Dave Krieg. By the end of his first full season as a starter, Krieg's story was already becoming a trope. Considering retirement after I was informed the football will be slipping out of my tiny hands. WebThe idea is that small hands mean youre more likely to fumble when hit or lose your grip on the ball when passing in bad weather. [8] In his first NFL start against the New York Jets on December 6, Krieg ran for one touchdown and threw for two others, including a 57-yard game-winning completion to Steve Largent. "He's got a big-league arm. But Krieg was Kryptonite for southpaw quarterbacks, and he had one last quarterback controversy left in him. They were so bad I couldn't even win with them on Madden. Late in the 1992 season, I think it was against the Steelers, the recording ended early, like at the end of the 3rd quarter. Dave Krieg However, operating behind a porous offensive line, Krieg had another inconsistent year. Mitchell was terrible, completing just 48.4% of his passes. In the team's eight victories, Krieg's passer rating averaged more than 114an excellent markbut in their eight losses, his rating hovered just above a dismal 40.[16]. Still, I was surprised to see trips formations, multiple personnel groupings, and lots of early-down passing from Krieg and Knox. Then he pulled a Benjamin Button and went slowly backwards after that. Went to the now-defunct Milton College. Krieg replaced the trio of Steve Beuerlein, Jay Schroeder, and Jim McMahon as Ryan sought the ultimate plucky, seasoned handoff machine. "John Elway is a fellow who can really drill the ball Dave's arm probably isn't as strong but he gets the ball there and he's right on target, and that's the most important thing, isn't it?". One final thought - both Jim Zorn (undrafted in 1975) and Steve DeBerg (10th round pick in 1977) were originally signed by the Cowboys as rookies but never took a regular season snap for Dallas. For a guy with a Super Bowl MVP, an MVP, and 151 touchdown passes to his name, Mahomes, believe it or not, has some of the NFLs smallest hands. Dave Krieg's Career | Seahawks But Krieg was now an in-demand veteran backup. Krieg signed with the Seahawks' division rivals, the Kansas City Chiefs, and started for them throughout 1992, leading his new team to a 106 record, including two victories over Seattle. Krieg by then 38 years old came off the bench and helped rally an injury-wracked Bears team to a respectable 66 finish. He passed away in 2018. The Chiefs lost 30-13. WebClick the graphic to view Dave Krieg's video and to find out about his involvement and appearances with the NFL's Health and Wellness Program. Krieg (as you mentioned)was awesome down the stretch, Herman Moore was emerging as a star, and Barry Sanders was having one of his signature seasons. The Seahawks went 2-1 in replacement games, in part because Largent and a few others crossed the picket lines. This year that backwards discussion is centered around former Pittsburgh signal-caller, Kenny Pickett. See Photos. Like Romo, Krieg rose from the bottom of the bench to have some fabulous seasons, as well as some not-so-fabulous ones. Krieg bounced back a bit in 1986, and the Seahawks started the season 5-2. Yep. He also died in 2018. Dave Krieg hand Cross Ryan Fitzpatrick with Tony Romo and you might just end up with Dave Krieg. Call the National Council on Problem Gambling 24/7 at 1-800-GAMBLER (NJ, OH), 1-800-522-4700 (CO), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN). And he called plays using a shoulder mounted speaker system for a time as well. That was an ancient DeBerg who came in late in the season in relief of an injured Marino and did a bang-up job. Legends of DVOA: Dave Krieg | Football Outsiders Meanwhile, in St. Louis, former Colorado State quarterback Kelly Stouffer held out for a full year after the Cardinals selected him sixth overall in the 1987 draft. To their credit, Knox and Meyer turned back to Krieg as soon as he was healthy. Completed only 1 of 12 passes Stroud, Mike Tanier's Final Three-Round Mock Draft, Things to Do While Waiting for Aaron Rodgers. In his second season as a starter, less than a year after he tore his ACL, Joe Burrow threw 34 touchdowns, won three playoff games and took the Bengals to their first Super Bowl in over three decades. Knox added that Gilbert would remain the starter for the rest of the season. They are always starting for a 6-10 team, and fumbling twice per game. Krieg left a Week 3 loss to the Rams after enduring seven sacks. Krieg signed as a free agenta real free agent this timewith Buddy Ryan's Arizona Cardinals, another team with a quartergeezer habit. Please check your email for a confirmation. Dave Krieg DeBerg went 40 of 58 for 539 yards the next two games to beat New England and Dallas, the eventual SB winner, in the Leon Lett game. David Krieg. Rhome told the press that Krieg "had nothing but a rifle for an arm" when the Seahawks decided to keep him, but he had since learned the position. He's way better than DeBerg!" 907830E5-9AEB-4FD2-9C5E-5AFCA574DF26.jpeg. he joked to Beckys-Place.com, a Seahawks fan site, in 2005. Dave Krieg was under center the first time I saw a Seahawks game in person. NFL Combine 5 QBs with smaller hands who were just fine in the I remember Kelly Stouffer as part of the terrible trio who quarterbacked the '92 Seahawks. Fitzpatrick has never led a team to the playoffs; Krieg did it six times. His own coaches, however, were another matter. In the spring of 1989, Krieg competed in NBC's prestigious Superstars competition, a series of physical challenges pitting athletes from various sports against one another. Stroud Falls to Colts in GTM's Final Mock Draft, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets: Low Floor, Low Ceiling, QBASE 2023: Why Bryce Young Tops C.J. Dave Krieg. But who would hand off to Warner? The college's enrollment had been dwindling for years, but coach Rudy Gaddini had recently built a local powerhouse. I remember reading in the Super Bowl 16 program (the first Super Bowl program my father bought for me as a kid; the 1981 season was also the first NFL season I followed closely), which always includes a season in review section on a week by week basis, that after the Seahawks won their second meeting with the Jets in the 1981 season that of their 34 wins in franchise history up to that point, 6 of them were against the Jets. In the wild-card round of the playoffs, when the Chiefs hosted the Pittsburgh Steelers, an injured Montana briefly left the game. Maybe Dave Krieg with the small hand thing. Or Steve DeBerg. He suffered a hand injury in Week 10 against the Packers, and Krieg led a rally from a 24-0 deficit. JavaScript is disabled. Dave Krieg Dave Krieg | American Football Database | Fandom Log in or sign up for Facebook to connect with friends, family and people you know. Krieg finished eighth in DYAR despite only playing half a season. Krieg threw 32 touchdown passes, earned a Pro Bowl berth behind Marino, and finished seventh in DVOA and eighth in DYAR despite a league-high 24 interceptions. Largent, who retired as the NFL's all-time leading receiver, represented his native Oklahoma in Congress for eight years. ONE THING ABOUT KRIEG . . . HE IS FOR REAL : 1996. David Michael Krieg (/kre/ KRAYG; born October 20, 1958) is an American former professional football player who was a quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). Kramer suffered a back injury, and Krieg went on to start 12 games. There are plenty of starting quarterback examples, who also had small hand measurements at the Combine, that we can point to and say this wont matter in determining his future. Romo, on the other hand, was flashier and more gifted than Krieg. Steve DeBerg should get a unique "Ryan Fitzpatrick Before Ryan Fitzpatrick" entry. The 15 Largest Hand Sizes in NBA History - HowTheyPlay In the offseason, the Chiefs signed Joe Montana and made him their starting quarterback. Maybe! Steelers, Rams Set Offensive Line Continuity Records, XFL Week 7 Preview: St. Louis, Houston Scrap for Second, Most Overvalued Players in a 2023 Fantasy Football Draft, Rams Limp to the Front of 2022's DVOA Underachievers, XFL Week 6 Review: D.C. "The veteran quarterback took over for Scott Mitchell, saved the Lions season, and probably saved Wayne Fontes' job," Didinger wrote. I think the cut off point in terms of date of birth is probably sometime in 1970 or 1971. But Dan McGwire (brother of Mark)was somehow worse. "Dave was in the zone", McNair explained. But he barely played in Tennessee and retired after the 1998 season. [30], In 1996, the Chicago Bears signed Krieg to back up Erik Kramer. Neither Krieg nor the Chiefs must have noticed that anything much had changed. Sports betting and gambling are not legal in all locations. 5) The 1985 Seahawks were a strange,consistently inconsistent team. Dave Krieg - Wikipedia He threw two interceptions in a 38-7 loss to the Jets, then got benched at halftime of a 27-7 loss to the Chiefs. He's now a high school coach and autism activist. We come to the Golden Example. It actually made some sense why Reeves turned to DeBerg when things were tough in 1998, even though DeBerg was only slightly younger than Bob Hope at the time. Have you bought the book with the best of Mike's first 12 years or so writing for Football Outsiders? However, Krieg still saw substantial action in 1993, relieving Montana in six games, and starting five games for the oft-injured Hall of Famer. Okay, So, how rare is that among quality starting quarterbacks? See Photos. See Photos. At Milton, a now-defunct small private college in Milton, Wisconsin, Krieg began as the 7th-string quarterback for his school's NAIA team, the Wildcats. The Chiefs signed Joe Montana to really feed their habit in 1993. "[36], Later that month, the Jacksonville Jaguars knocked McNair out of a game, but Krieg's comeback effort failed. and the Quarterback who didn't know how to adjust his chin strap properly it always ended up under his nose. Looking back across an almost endless career that spanned two strikes, two decades, and parts of several distinct NFL eras, I'm left struggling with the question of just how good Krieg really was. The Seahawks were considered by many to be the preseason AFC favorites in 1987, but the Seahawks reverted to their more inconsistent form and ended up sneaking into the playoffs and losing in the wild-card round. And instead, theres supposed to be a lot of weight placed on whether they can comfortably palm a football with one hand. But this was long before the era when NFL scouts effectively beat the deep bushes, or when film of NAIA quarterbacks was readily available on YouTube or Hudl for any deep-diving draftnik. Tiny hands! Zorn's playing career fizzled out soon after Krieg took his job. In 19 seasons, Krieg played in 213 games, completed 58.5 percent of his passes (3,105 of 5,311) for 38,147 passing yards, 261 touchdowns, 199 interceptions and an 81.5 rating. He went 1-of-8 for 2 yards, three sacks, and one interception in the first half of a Week 8 against the Steelers, who were without Jack Lambert on defense and Terry Bradshaw on offense. Krieg signed with the Chiefs in March of 1992. [13], Returning to the bench at the outset of the 1983 campaign, Krieg remained there until Zorn's performance faltered in midseason. .or just me??? At that point, head coach Chuck Knox named Krieg the Seahawks' new starting quarterback. And Krieg is better than Zorn has ever been in the past.". Jets link has been fixed. "Stouffer has been impressive, very impressive," Knox said, even though Stouffer completed just 20 total passes and threw zero touchdowns in his two starts. Thanks as always for the great write-up! Scroll down on this page to "A Good Walkthrough Spoiled. Again, his passer rating told the tale: 3 horrible games (below 50), 4 mediocre ones (50s and 60s), 5 good efforts (70s and 80s), and 4 outstanding performances (90s or better). Dave Krieg. ", Krieg himself made a remark which would prove ironic in the seasons to come. I felt really old when I had to explain to a younger fan who I was getting my picture with though. That said, any mention of Kreig will always bring two plays of his to mind: In reply to As someone who started by dmb. Log In. -Deberg, a decent QB in his own right, is the king of Hall of Fame backups. In recognition of this impressive performance, Krieg's NFL peers named him to his first Pro Bowl. And he wasn't a 26-year-old with a big contract. Steve DeBerg, a career journeyman mentor who arrived in Kansas City at age 33, had been the Chiefs starter for four seasons, leading the team to the playoffs twice. Krieg would have disappeared if Gaddini didn't have a connection in the Seahawks personnel department. Dave Krieg of the Seattle Seahawks, seen here in between fumbles. My parents used to tape the games and send them to me so I could see my team play. Even when the young starter played poorly,[33] coach Jeff Fisher declined to insert Krieg. "When you get a good horse, you just grab the reins and hang on.". In fact, the media gushed over Krieg, and he was well-regarded (as I recall) among national fans. I used to claim that he must have been before my time. (I'm sure it was interesting if/when Lyle Alzado sacked Krieg; it was one alumnus of a defunct college (Yankton College in Alzado's case) sacking another alumnus of a defunct college. True to form, Krieg enjoyed a late-season hot streak: 14 touchdowns, just three interceptions, and a second-place finish in DVOA behind Steve Young. Dave Krieg | Seahawks And his DVOA record only backs that up. The next week, Krieg's steady performance helped the Seahawks upset Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins on the road. All-Pro Steve Largent missed several games because of a fractured elbow. ", That late surge only brought a small measure of job security, however. It's the link to the first Jets game of the season (Krieg played in the second). But then I looked up Steve DeBerg's stats, and it turns out his Kansas City years were pretty damn good: 3 straight top-10 passing DVOA finishes for a perennial playoff contender. Use promo code, C.J. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Krieg also became part owner of the af2's Green Bay Blizzard in 2007 along with former Green Bay Packer linebacker Brian Noble. They were merely average for someone of his 6-foot-5 stature. The Seahawks finished 7-9 in 1991, and everyone, including new owner Ken Behring, finally grew tired of having the same mediocre season with the same old-school coach and three quarterbacks over and over again. Milton College closed in 1982, while Krieg was still dueling with Zorn. (Everyone, or at least most males born in the first half of the 1970s after 1970-1971, also rememberBobby "The Brain" Heenan was Ken Patera's manager.). See Photos. The Packers narrowly held off the Lions for a 38-30 win. One blemish that somehow always appears around NFL Combine season is discussing a quarterbacks hand size. But after Krieg went 6-of-16 for 26 yards and five sacks in a Week 8 loss to the Broncos, Knox turned the starting job over to Gilbert, who had gone undrafted out of Cal in 1985. General manager Mike McCormack took over as head coach and reinstated Zorn when play resumed in November. Krieg 4) Bob Smizik was a long-time sports columnist in Pittsburgh either for the morningPittsburgh Post-Gazette or the afternoonPittsburgh Press. -The Seahawks actually beat an Elway-less Broncos in the 1983 playoffs. And Favres hands are a semi-gigantic 1013 inches from thumb to pinkie. Exclusive Premium Content For Subscribers. You are using an out of date browser. He played through an era of rapid strategic, financial, and administrative transition across the NFL. They werent small either. He attended Milton College and made the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent. It closed in 1982. Krieg took a seven-step drop on the very first play from scrimmage and launched a bomb to rookie receiver Daryl "Deep Heat" Turner for an 80-yard touchdown. But Patera did release Sam McCullum, a productive veteran receiver who also happened to be the Seahawks' union rep. Legal actions ensued. The time before the 1987 strike was, not coincidentally, an era of epic holdouts. Legendary fumbling quarterback Dave Krieg third on the all-time list with 153 was rumored to have teeny hands. However, Krieg and Seahawks offense were overwhelmed by the aggressive defense of the L.A. The WORST Mistake of Dave Krieg's Career | Seahawks - YouTube You can get it at Amazon or read it for free as an FO+ subscriber! Heck, Krieg owes most of the last seven years of his career to defense-oriented coaches and their obsession with veteran caretakers. As it turns out, hands under nine inches arent Thanks for this article - Dave Krieg was one of my favorite players - and I thought I was the only one who thought he was pretty great! Mirer and Bledsoe shared Rookie of the Year honors. He also had 417 rushing attempts for 1,261 yards and 13 touchdowns and 3 pass receptions for 10 yards. I swear, I'm going to be accused of being a secret Cowboys fan, but I'm going to tout Romo again. "He picks out secondary and tertiary receivers. Dave Krieg. Dave Krieg went to Milton College in Wisconsin. Find your friends on Facebook. Fortunately the rest of my team was stacked. We went out for pre-game warm-ups, then came back in and Jerry Rhome said, 'Hey, you know you're starting, don't you? Stouffer stepped in and led the Seahawks to a pair of wins, mostly by handing off to Warner and John L. Williams. Kemp relieved Krieg in the fourth quarter and nearly led the Seahawks on a scoring drive in the final 71 seconds. Kelly Stouffer is a college football television analyst. Web1995 Upper Deck Collectors Choice Player's Club Platinum #296 Dave Krieg: $0.50: 1995 Upper Deck Collectors Choice Update #121 Dave Krieg: $0.34: 1995 Upper Deck Electric Gold #234 Dave Krieg: $2.03: 1995 Upper Deck Electric Silver #234 Dave Krieg: $0.34: 1996 Classic NFL Experience #54 Dave Krieg: [19], During the offseason, the Seahawks acquired Kelly Stouffer from the Phoenix Cardinals, and began to groom him as the franchise quarterback of the future.[20]. When I was a kid a I thought he was a damn wizard. Dave Krieg SackSEER 2023: Is Tyree Wilson Overrated? Gaddini sent the Seahawks "a couple of canisters of film," in Krieg's words, and Krieg boarded an airplane for the first time in his life to travel to Seattle for a tryout. That's not the sort of thing a team does when it is completely satisfied with its starting quarterback. Kried to Largent was a thing for several years. [11] Zorn reclaimed his former role, but played inconsistently. (Chiefs safety Deron Cherry intercepted four of the passes). Recent and Trending topics from Football Outsiders. I loaded up a video of the 1984 Seahawks' Week 13 victory over the Broncos to watch as part of my prep for this article. I liked him (probably because that's how Philadelphia area sportswriters often wrote). Players shook hands with opponents as a sign of union solidarity before preseason games in 1982, and the usual suspects reacted as if they were burning puppies cradling bibles wrapped in flags. Had some really good moments with Krieg.But he gets my vote for the All time NFL Quarterbacks with the most Balls slipped out of his hands( i swear he must have some small hands?) "I figured I had gone too far now, so I just kept going. https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-scouting-combine-patrick-mahomes-tom-brady-kenny-pickett, Tom Brady, Patriots/Buccaneers (9.375 inches). BackCAST 2023: Is Zach Charbonnet Overrated? Krieg made a handful of spot starts, then was forced into the lineup when Montana was injured against the Bills in the AFC Championship Game. and losers (oh no, Lions) of the 2023 NFL Draft, Ranking all 32 current NHL away jerseys, from worst to best, The Brewers' Willy Adames got ejected after a blatantly spiteful sequence from umpire Adam Beck, Will Levis' sad night sitting in the NFL Draft green room in 8 photos and videos, A fired-up Steph Curry told the Kings to 'light the beam' as the Warriors ended Sacramento's season, Will Levis's Pro Day quote on not wanting to be in NFL Draft green room if he wasn't a first-round pick was sadly prescient, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. Small hands. The Seahawks finished a disappointing 79, leading to the resignation of Coach Knox. Krieg led a 90-yard touchdown drive to bring the Chiefs within 7 points, but the Buffalo Bills scored 10 unanswered points in the fourth quarter to qualify for their fourth straight Super Bowl appearance. Then a strike erased two months. As someone who is arguably the greatest to ever take snaps from under center, Brady didnt have especially large hands.
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