However- on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a Did he say why (in detail)? wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. I can't wait to hear this setup! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. It weighs about 220 lb. Last edited: Apr 26, 2022 The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. ). If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Your link has been automatically embedded. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. I would stick with full fledged horns. They all sound good and they're all different. I have both Klipsch Cornwalls and Altec Valencias. I've used both in my main system and have found the Cornwalls to be brighter and more detailed. The Valencias are smoother and not as fatiguing. I've listened to Cornwalls. A bit bright and prone to listener fatigue. Find a pair of Model 19's and your hunt will be over. You cannot paste images directly. Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Your previous content has been restored. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. You can post now and register later. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger Edit: Just found 4 on e-Bay, if the price stays low enough might pull the plug on three. Just a fun debate for me. Your link has been automatically embedded. January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. Powered by Invision Community. Regulars. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network, and Yes, I know it's the sound that matters most but when you're talking about $15,000 speakers (CORRECTION! They are small compared to an A7 or an A5 and they consequently give up LF performance as small vented boxes. He was thrilled. Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? Your previous content has been restored. I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. You can build better new for under $700 a pair plus rational-size DIY cabs. :yes: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/91402/1318610.aspx, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. I have Khorns, 19's, A-7s, and larger VOTTs. could you say more about your experience with jubs? Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . It would have to be mounted externally. Item Information. Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are Just sent an email to my friend. In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. Posted February 9, 2005. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Therefore, of course I agree. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. It will work ok at 400 Hz. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. I haven't This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher YMMV. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. would love to hear it. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, [] Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y] Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. Posted January 20, 2005. In any case, you will want to experiment with I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. ). The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. dkalsi But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. Display as a link instead, In other words, they are never going to sound like A7's or K-horns. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. ', Sorry for that , but I cant agree . Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end It's reality. By This is a win-win situation. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. $178.24 for 24 months with PayPal Credit* Buy It Now. Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! Powered by Invision Community. What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Clear editor. There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. Bloody awesome info! Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. exactly. Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best Upload or insert images from URL. I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. Just a side comment. though there are other issues to resolve, a new pair of Jubilee's might actually cost you less than a new pair of Khorns (and perhaps sound better) Might at least be worth investigating. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". I am reluctant to make a change I cannot undue other than refinishing my La Scala cabinets in new veneer. By it sounds ultimately good and accurate. Your previous content has been restored. 2.8k. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. $1700 Firm takes all. They are making new ones for original Altec tools. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.Learn More. Clear editor. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. yes It was built here. You can post now and register later. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. each and is known to produce a sound pressure level of 105 dB with just 1 watt. By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. ). Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. 19 thread, []. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. Not my intent at all. The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's. They just disappear into the corners! Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side?